Phoned moved due to BT copper going (now gone)

[ppppenguin]

https://ee.co.uk/ One of the UK's main mobile operators. Owned by BT since 2016. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EE_Limited

Going back to Gary's problem, the interface box is effectively pretending to be a traditional telephone exchange. Whether it gets the full spec for ring voltage etc is another matter. Wouldn't surprise me if it's a bit low and not capable of much current. Not too important with modern phones and their electronic ringers. Matters a lot with traditional bells.

My immediate thought, which I'm sure has been expressed by others in this thread, is to treat the phone port as if it's a traditional master socket. Then run extensions from it. Most modern phones don't need the separate bell feed on pin 3. A 2 wire feed to pins 2 and 5 will work.

Mike W's comment about Israel is interesting. Just about the only other country that uses the same phone socket as the UK but their voice circuit is on pins 3 and 4, not 2 and 5. I found this out the hard way when a UK phone wouldn't work at a friend's house in Israel.

[Mike Watterson]

Then EE isn't broadband.

Also the capacitor and bell wire is going back to prehistoric pulse dials and electromechanical bells so that the other extensions didn't tinkle when you dialled! AFAIK no-one else does that either.
Argos in Ireland used to give a free RJ11 to BT adaptor (with the master socket cap in it) because all the phones etc they sold had BT plugs.

[ppppenguin]

EE also supply broadband in the UK.

[Murphyv310]

Hi
Indeed they do. The issue with this one has now been resolved by EE, considerable issues with them and run totally different to BT with non compatibility between EE & BT routers and devices.
The person is moving supplier as soon as the contract is out.

[ppppenguin]

While ISPs usually now supply modem/routers I reckon to buy my own. This goes right back to the days when ISPs didn't supply modem/routers and you had to buy your own.

Tis serves well for ADSL and VDSL. I don't know what happens with FTTP - I think you get a WAN port on the fibre interface box which you can plug into any router. For Vrigin cable I think you have to use their box. Best to connect your own router with wifi to a port on the Virgin box. Then they can't mess with your settings. This happens and causes grief.

An exception to my policy might be if I was with BT and had one of their "whole house" solutions. My wifi, from my own modem/router near the centre of the house, just about covers the whole house but it's a bit weak in places.

[Radio Fixer]

"For Virgin cable I think you have to use their box. Best to connect your own router with wifi to a port on the Virgin box. Then they can't mess with your settings. This happens and causes grief."

Thats correct Jeffrey and exactly as my set up is. I fitted own router as the one suppled by Virgin, years ago, had poor coverage. The TP-Link I bought is good enough to work from everywhere.

Gary

[ppppenguin]

I use a TP-Link too. An Archer 400, abut £60. Used with Plusnet FTTC/VDSL. Generally rock solid though a previous similar TP-Link died after a few years. The best thing I can say about it is that I never have to think about it. Which is as it should be.

[Mike Watterson]

Fibre uses a separate router, so if you copy the WAN settings, like xDSL. you can use your own.

Cable uses shared and easy to tap into coax, so the modem is secure and provisioned by the ISP. Some used to only supply the modem. Some of the combo modem/router/Airpoints can have bridging enabled so a separate router can be used. Even the combo ones usually allow the internally bridged airpoint to be disabled and the DHCP server disabled (business systems may have a DHCP with more security and ability to hand preset IPs to defined Mac (like for a Printer).

Most xDSL routers can be used as a switch & airpoint if you disable DHCP and WAN. Some have WAN ethernet port for fibre (or cable modem or cable modem-router in bridge mode).

Any cable ISP that let you use your cable modem is unusual and bonkers. They'd have to put all the details in their database and provision.
xDSL can be monitored by a tap in the cabinet. The Cable DOCSIS is secure (usually ver 2.x or 3.x, the main difference is 3.x has channel bonding for multiple 6 MHz (USA) or 8 MHz (most of world) channels.

[Mike Watterson]

The WiFi is an Airpoint, bridged in a combo router. You can easily disable everything in most xDSL routers and use them as an ethernet switch and airpoint. Most Cable modem-routers and xDSL/Fibre routers allow the Airpoint to be disabled.

[Mike Watterson]

EE also supply broadband in the UK.

Three Ireland are Mobile. They once got a contract and €150 M to supply broadband.
They advertise Super Fast Broadband with WiFi.
It's mobile. They do supply router/airpoints (Ethernet + WiFi) but have never ever provided a single broadband connection. The box uses a mobile modem. Mobile is connect outwards on demand, never always on. No static IP possible. Also Mobile drops connections if the demand on the mast is high and better signals have priority. No assurance of any particular speed or even a connection.

Maybe EE do have real Broadband. Three in Ireland don't. They are just a marketing company, yet allowed to buy O2 Ireland. Parent company is in Hong Kong. Their selling below cost, no cap (stupid on mobile) and advertising in Ireland almost killed Broadband and fibre investment.