07-06-2020, 06:21 AM
(This post was last modified: 07-06-2020, 06:22 AM by Diabolical Artificer.)
"Don't even think abut pulling a carrot out of the ground. The screams can be heard for miles around. "
"I hear a million screams when I cut my grass.
I see leaves falling from trees in the Autumn, dying in agony. " Yep, I expected that response, first off I was careful to not overly stress that trees feel pain, but a tree is a living thing, hammering in six inch nails should be given some thought, not just done on a whim. It's respect for another living organism. Obviously we have to kill to survive, whether that's an animal or plant, but that's food or shelter, not destruction for destruction's sake.
The native American's had a similar approach to other living things, don't take too much, respect the animal you kill. Doubt most folk who eat meat could kill and butcher an animal, I know 99.9% of people would struggle to find food outdoors, the clocks ticking, your running out of energy, best find food quick or you die. Expend too much energy finding the food, you die. Move slowly, listen, use all your senses, listen to the women who hold the tribal knowledge of where to find food, where to find water to drink, where to find good wood to make shelter. Listen to the animals, blackbird just broke cover, some at's up. Squirrel's chattering, there's a predator about. What I'm whittering on about is connection, that there may be more to trees, animals etc than you or I know or understand, so praps err on the side of caution.
Being removed from gathering our own food most folk have lost that connection. There was a lot of tree lore in the past, most lost since the event of mechanisation, were too busy whizzing about with our heads down, looking at the world through a screen to notice the world all around us. Some things in the natural world are subtle, it takes time and years of observation to pick up on, a tree "moves" a lot slower than us ( I don't mean it gets up and walks, don't be silly), most of us don't stand still long enough, to be in the moment. "what is life if full of care we have no time to stand and stare" was an apt phrase when it written, more so now.
I've lived in woods and worked with trees for years and had some odd experiences, sitting in a wood at midnight in a storm or as the sun comes up gives you a different outlook, there's also quite a bit of research to partially back me up too if you want the scientific approach - https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/b...l-pain.htm & - http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170109-...nd-respond , there are many other articles written by proper scientists, not cranks that are at least worth a look, and some thought. This stuff is the antithesis of electronic engineering, it needs a different mindset, doesn't mean it lacks validity though.
Bit of a drastic approach there Tracy to a disappointing harvest, a bit kill or cure, I imagine the poor tree sees you coming with the saw or
knife and cr*ps itself, "bl**dy hell Doris, she's got the knife, make sure you have a good few pears this season or your for it" or "come on girls, heads up, nice big smiles, petals straight, she's got her secateurs!" from the flowers : )
Anyroad, bit of a rant there.... bit of respect please Albert next time your thinking of experimenting and think on, Andy.
"I hear a million screams when I cut my grass.
I see leaves falling from trees in the Autumn, dying in agony. " Yep, I expected that response, first off I was careful to not overly stress that trees feel pain, but a tree is a living thing, hammering in six inch nails should be given some thought, not just done on a whim. It's respect for another living organism. Obviously we have to kill to survive, whether that's an animal or plant, but that's food or shelter, not destruction for destruction's sake.
The native American's had a similar approach to other living things, don't take too much, respect the animal you kill. Doubt most folk who eat meat could kill and butcher an animal, I know 99.9% of people would struggle to find food outdoors, the clocks ticking, your running out of energy, best find food quick or you die. Expend too much energy finding the food, you die. Move slowly, listen, use all your senses, listen to the women who hold the tribal knowledge of where to find food, where to find water to drink, where to find good wood to make shelter. Listen to the animals, blackbird just broke cover, some at's up. Squirrel's chattering, there's a predator about. What I'm whittering on about is connection, that there may be more to trees, animals etc than you or I know or understand, so praps err on the side of caution.
Being removed from gathering our own food most folk have lost that connection. There was a lot of tree lore in the past, most lost since the event of mechanisation, were too busy whizzing about with our heads down, looking at the world through a screen to notice the world all around us. Some things in the natural world are subtle, it takes time and years of observation to pick up on, a tree "moves" a lot slower than us ( I don't mean it gets up and walks, don't be silly), most of us don't stand still long enough, to be in the moment. "what is life if full of care we have no time to stand and stare" was an apt phrase when it written, more so now.
I've lived in woods and worked with trees for years and had some odd experiences, sitting in a wood at midnight in a storm or as the sun comes up gives you a different outlook, there's also quite a bit of research to partially back me up too if you want the scientific approach - https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/b...l-pain.htm & - http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170109-...nd-respond , there are many other articles written by proper scientists, not cranks that are at least worth a look, and some thought. This stuff is the antithesis of electronic engineering, it needs a different mindset, doesn't mean it lacks validity though.
Bit of a drastic approach there Tracy to a disappointing harvest, a bit kill or cure, I imagine the poor tree sees you coming with the saw or
knife and cr*ps itself, "bl**dy hell Doris, she's got the knife, make sure you have a good few pears this season or your for it" or "come on girls, heads up, nice big smiles, petals straight, she's got her secateurs!" from the flowers : )
Anyroad, bit of a rant there.... bit of respect please Albert next time your thinking of experimenting and think on, Andy.
